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hawkeye mike
    04/12/08 at 12:55 PM
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Many of us post or lurk here because we know of Todd from his music.  I’d like to introduce a songwriting topic that seeks to combine music and philosophy; or at least the philosophy of songwriting.  Allow me to elaborate. 

 

First, please accept that I have zero songwriting ability.  As such, I marvel at those who have this ability. All that follows is offered from merely a music fan, rather than from someone with musical talent, with formal training or even a modest education regarding songwriting.  

 

The theory is that over time, inevitably, songwriters will include more and more words in each song as compared to his or her early work.  It might even be possible to statically test this theory by measuring the number of words, or syllables even, per minute or bar for a relevant sample of artists.  Seems like a good dissertation topic for music majors or a statistics major who loves music. Ah, to attend college again and enjoy such pursuits.  Alas, I digress.  Allow me to get back on track.

 

Counting words is not good indicator of a quality song.  There will be no causal link between the number of words and a song’s appeal, I assert.  A good song can possess either volumes of lyrics or very few.  The theory that a songwriter will over his or her career become increasing lyrical is merely something I believe based upon unscientific observation.  Nevertheless I find this theory worthy of exploration.    

 

If there is truly an evolution toward increasingly lyrical-laced songs over one’s songwriting career, it could be fueled by some general themes or influenced by diverse topics including;

 

  • Aging, or the wisdom that comes with it, motivating one to say more via lyrics.
  • An artist may over time develop stronger preferences (as we seem to do with age I suppose) making him or her write from an increasingly didactical position that merely requires more lyrics and words to make the point.
  • Over time a songwriting’s sense of creative freedom might increase and the artist may have a preference to write more lyrics and have less open spaces for melody.   
  • The influence of rap or hip hop on other genres such as folk, pop, blues, contemporary pop or alternative contemporary pop, given that much of rap or hip hop would be the most lyrically dense music around.     
  • Songwriters tend to be ‘the vocalist’ as well. Is it possible that the creative process becomes increasingly focused on the singer’s voice as an instrument as compared to the band?
  • Perhaps lyrics are more coveted by radio-friendly pop? As a result, there is pressure on an artist to compress songs to a ‘singles’ format thereby sacrificing some of the bars that contain only instrumentation.  We all know from ‘70’s FM radio that the only time we heard a song over five minutes was late at night when the DJ was alone needed to micturate.  Moreover, the American Idol judges are not going to think a contestant has chosen well his or her music if instead of singing he or she is toe tapping for 45 seconds waiting for the next point to come in.

 

The most salient example of this theory is, when looking over my personal CD collection, Pink Floyd and Neil Young.  If one charts Pink Floyd from inception, through the period when Roger Waters increases his creative influence in the band, it seems obvious that lyrics became increasingly pervasive.  Compare Wish You Where Here to The Final Cut.  Then, after The Final Cut, when the songwriting falls to David Gilmour, one finds a return to melody and open spaces within the music.  U2 might be another good example as Bono seems to be singing before the music even starts and after it ends these days.   

 

Again, a good song is not made or lost on the number of lyrics. Further, I’m not offering commentary on Todd’s work as I’m not sure the theory fits his impressive body of work. I do tend to like music where the lyrics are a bit subtle (that does not mean abstract or overly abstract, by the way) and the musical melody compliments the song’s mood.  Sometimes a song with an economy of lyrics can speak volumes.  It is to me like when an actor can communicate rage with only a motionless facial expression.  Eastwood is not a good actor per se, but think of his sneering face in just about any of his moves. Compare this to Pulp Fiction when “Butch” was tearing the hotel room apart over losing his father’s watch.  Both philosophies regarding emoting rage are effective, and yet each has a style on to itself.  

 

 It would be wonderful to explore this further and to read the thoughts of this group.  Bless you all.

 

Hawkeye Mike

Darren
    04/13/08 at 02:14 PM
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Hey Mike,

 

Thanks for the posting! It is nice to see one of us still has some active gray matter.  I have actually considered this topic before but came to the opposite conclusion. I tend to see artists streamline their lyrics as they grow and manage to get more said with fewer words. (a lesson I could stand to learn from for sure)

 

It is hard look at the lyrical changes in a band like “The Floyd” without first remembering their changes in personnel. At any given time you have Waters, Gilmour and Barrett contributing lyrics so I am not so sure that you can identify a trend so readily. The lyrical changes could just as easily be attributed to the strength of influence of a particular lyricist at that time as it could to an overall evolution of the band and their music.

 

I would think that the best subject to analyze would be an artist who has been more focused on lyrical content. By no means have I spent any real time considering this subject but the artist that came to mind immediately for me as I read your posting was Bruce Springsteen. In my opinion The Boss has few rivals when it comes to words. I have always felt that his lyrics were the best part of what he does but I haven’t always felt like they made for good songs. Early Springsteen songs are hardly songs at all but seem to be more narrative poems set to music. The more standard “verse-chorus-verse-chorus” structure is strained and at times almost abandoned entirely. Look at these words from a 1973 song:

 

4TH OF JULY, ASBURY PARK (SANDY)

 

Sandy the fireworks are hailin' over Little Eden tonight
Forcin' a light into all those stoned-out faces left stranded on this Fourth of July
Down in town the circuit's full with switchblade lovers so fast so shiny so sharp
And the wizards play down on Pinball Way on the boardwalk way past dark
And the boys from the casino dance with their shirts open like Latin lovers along the shore
Chasin' all them silly New York girls

Sandy the aurora is risin' behind us
The pier lights our carnival life forever
Love me tonight for I may never see you again
Hey Sandy girl

Now the greasers they tramp the streets or get busted for trying to sleep on the beach all night
Them boys in their spiked high heels ah Sandy their skins are so white
And me I just got tired of hangin' in them dusty arcades bangin' them pleasure machines
Chasin' the factory girls underneath the boardwalk where they promise to unsnap their jeans
And you know that tilt-a-whirl down on the south beach drag
I got on it last night and my shirt got caught
And that Joey kept me spinnin' I didn't think I'd ever get off

Oh Sandy the aurora is risin' behind us
The pier lights our carnival life on the water
Runnin' down the beach at night with my boss's daughter
Well he ain't my boss no more Sandy

Sandy, the angels have lost our desire for us
I spoke to 'em just last night and they said they won't set themselves on fire for us anymore
Every summer when the weather gets hot they ride that road down from heaven on their Harleys they come and they go
And you can see `em dressed like stars in all the cheap little seashore bars parked making love with their babies out on the Kokomo
Well the cops finally busted Madame Marie for tellin' fortunes better than they do
This boardwalk life for me is through
You know you ought to quit this scene too

Sandy the aurora's rising behind us, the pier lights our carnival life forever
Oh love me tonight and I promise I'll love you forever

 

  

When you hear it sung it is at times very awkward and almost sounds as if the narrative is being forced into a mold that it doesn’t fit. On one hand I love the willingness to push the envelope of the art form but on the other I wonder at how he ever became popular. I actually don’t believe that popular music is successful because of deep content and is more about tried and true hooks.

 

Now look at new Springsteen material.

 

"Waitin' On A Sunny Day"

It's rainin' but there ain't a cloud in the sky
Musta been a tear from your eye
Everything'll be okay
Funny thought I felt a sweet summer breeze
Musta been you sighin' so deep
Don't worry we're gonna find a way

I'm waitin', waitin' on a sunny day
Gonna chase the clouds away
Waitin' on a sunny day

Without you I'm workin' with the rain fallin' down
Half a party in a one dog town
I need you to chase the blues away
Without you I'm a drummer girl that can't keep a beat
And ice cream truck on a deserted street
I hope that you're coming to stay

I'm waitin', waitin' on a sunny day
Gonna chase the clouds away
Waitin' on a sunny day

Hard times baby, well they come to tell us all
Sure as the tickin' of the clock on the wall
Sure as the turnin' of the night into day
Your smile girl, brings the mornin' light to my eyes
Lifts away the blues when I rise
I hope that you're coming to stay

 

I think that the real difference boils down to an artist trusting his listener. A writer often struggles with the desire to “tell it all” and the fear to trust. Good stories and good songs should leave room for interpretation. The more a writer insists on saying it “his way” the less room there is for individual interpretation. It is far better in my opinion to let the words draw an image that is slightly unfocussed and allow the detail to take shape on terms that the viewer determines. I think that Todd has learned this lesson very well over the years and that his own music has become less defined narrative and more interpretive. As a result I think that Todd’s (and Bruce’s) songs are more listenable and much more likely to become popular. In some sense it may be bowing down to the hook oriented fare of popular culture but a wise artist will learn over time to maintain their depth and integrity and still be catchy and easy to listen to.

 

My thoughts anyway.

 

Darren

hawkeye mike
    04/19/08 at 08:45 AM
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Darren,

 

Very thoughtful reply.  Thank you. 

 

My Pink Floyd reference was not the best example.  I was really thinking about Waters' Pink Floyd.  Perhaps I should have just considered Waters.  Thinking of his Floyd tenure and his solo career, he seems to fit my theory as well as anyone. 

 

I've never connected with The Boss in a major way.  I'm not sure why.  Maybe I should try again.  Oddly, the same is true for SRV. 

 

You really did a nice job of explaining your viewpoint, Darren.  The photography analogy is spot on clever.  I started to think more of Todd's work as I read your post...  Clearly Todd's work is common ground for you and me.  Ivan, Fortune Teller, etc.  

 

Midnight Radio, Bittersweet and Crazy Mary, for example, offer so much to the listener.  The open spaces, appearing early of often, are filled with melodic guitar bits that cleanse the pallet in preparation for the next verse.  When the lyrics come back, they really pop.  Artistry in action.

 

Sometimes I get the sense we are opposite heads of the same coin, Darren.  This makes for great fun indeed.  Thanks for writing back.  It is always good to connect and explore topics with you my friend.

 

Mike   

 

 

hawkeye mike
    05/04/08 at 10:21 AM
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Hello Darren.  Seems like either I killed this thread, or perhaps it was dead from the start. 
 
Mike
Darren
    05/05/08 at 04:46 PM
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Hey Mike,

I will answer back better when work allows.

It isn't you that killed anything. This whole blog is pretty much dead. Here it is an election year and we can't even muster up a good political debate. Todd's input here is obviously critical. I really don't know why it has to be that way but apparently it does. Kinda sad if you ask me. I really enjoyed the discussions we once had here.

Darren

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